This week's guest, Emily Rogers and I discuss the significance of coaching and leadership development for individuals, particularly women, in achieving personal and professional growth. We highlight the importance of legacy leadership, work-life integration, and understanding blind spots to become a more effective leader. Emily shares her insights and experiences in guiding leaders and teams towards realizing their full potential and making a positive impact on their communities and organizations.
Welcome back to She's Wild, my guest today is Emily Rogers, founder and CEO of Emily Rogers Consulting + Coaching. Emily is passionate about living life with purpose and helps leaders and their teams grow and realize their full potential. In this episode, Emily discusses the importance of finding one's purpose and why we should all focus on legacy leadership. She offers advice on investing in executive coaching and explains how coaching can help individuals and teams discover their strengths, weaknesses, and blind spots. Emily also highlights the challenges women face in the workplace, such as underestimating themselves and work-life integration.
Emily Rogers, an executive coach, is dedicated to empowering leaders through her work. With over a decade of experience, she has partnered with 500 leaders across various industries and career stages, from young high-potentials to CEOs at Fortune 500 companies. Emily also serves as a leadership development trainer and team coach, conducting over 350 workshops and retreats. She finds inspiration in witnessing how inner transformation brings positive change and powerful ripple effects to relationships, organizations, and communities.
Recognized for her fresh approach to leadership, Emily authored a leadership excellence column for six years and is a sought-after speaker, presenting keynotes and workshops worldwide. Forbes featured her insights 18 times, solidifying her position as a thought leader. In 2022, she was a finalist for the ATHENA International Leadership Award and received recognition as January's Small Business of the Month by the Lakeland Chamber. She was also a finalist for the Lakeland Chamber of Commerce Businesswoman of the Year in 2021 and was named as a Person to Know in Polk County, FL by Florida Trend in July 2023.
Emily holds bachelor's and master's degrees from Florida State University and another master's in Educational Leadership from the University of South Florida. Her coaching training includes programs with the Coaches Training Institute and CRR Global. Emily is certified to administer the Leadership Circle Profile™ and Collective Leadership Assessment™.
An active member of professional organizations like the International Coach Federation, Emily contributes to her community by serving on the boards of the Lakeland Chamber of Commerce and United Way of Central Florida. She resides with her husband on their family ranch in Lakeland, Florida, where they grow citrus and raise beef cattle.
Memorable Moments:
10:17 My legacy Leadership Program is all about helping people get clearer about who they want to influence, how they want to influence, and the positive change that they want to create in people's lives, in their communities, and in their families.
13:14 Women tend to underestimate themselves and their leadership effectiveness. And they're always surprised and humbled to see how effective they truly are when we conduct a leadership assessment in the form of a 360. Women underestimate themselves and they are often underestimated in the workplace, just due to gender bias. Beliefs that people hold about women's place in the workplace, women's place in the world, and some of those things are generational and there's still a stronghold on some of those old, outdated beliefs. And women also struggle more with work life integration than men. Career planning can be a little bit more dynamic for women, just because their priorities can ebb and flow as they choose to have families and focus on different areas of their life or their work. Many of the leadership challenges are the same, but there's some gender differences that are unique to women.
29:28 The advice I often give the women leaders that I work with is don't give away your power. Claim your power and use it for good.
Emily's Book Recommendation: "Good Power" by Ginny Romettyn - https://www.amazon.com/Good-Power-Leading-Positive-Change/dp/1647823226
Connect with Emily:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emilyhowellrogers/
Emily's Legacy Leadership Program: https://emilyrogers.com/programs-2/legacy-leadership/
https://www.facebook.com/EmilyRogersConsultingandCoaching
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Nancy Surak00:01
Hello welcome back to She's Wild podcast for women in land and development. This is a part five of a series of shows where I talk about different personal development topics. Today's guest is Emily Rogers, the founder and CEO of Emily Rogers consulting and coaching here in Central Florida. Emily is very passionate about living your life with purpose. In 2013, after more than a four years of C suite experience in dozens of years advising fortune 100 brands, professional sports teams, entertainment properties and global nonprofits on the business of sponsorship, Emily left her role as president and chief growth Officer of IE GE to focus her energy on developing leaders and their teams. Today, her business exists to support leaders and their teams in growing and realizing their full potential and purposeful and balanced ways. As an executive coach she is passionate about and building leaders, and has had the privilege of partnering with over 500 leaders across several different industries, walks of life, stages of careers, and everything in between. Emily has worked with CEOs of Fortune 500 companies, and has helped folks had developed leadership development training, and facilitated over 350 workshops in retreats. She is a sought after speaker who has presented keynote presentations and workshops throughout North America, Europe and Asia. And she is recognized as a thought leader having been published and quoted in Forbes magazine 18 different times. She's also a regular guest on numerous radio shows and podcasts. And I'm so excited to have her on the show today. Emily, welcome to She's Wild. Emily, I'm happy to have you here today. And I can't wait to get into the value of investing and executive coaching and what you're seeing in your world. And in particular, why you think women should be investing in working with someone like yourself, the way I love to start off is just giving you an opportunity to introduce yourself and tell us a little bit more about who you are and how you came to creating your business.
Emily Rogers02:37
Oh, great, Nancy, thank you. It is just delightful to be with you and to have the opportunity to spend this time with you and have this conversation which is so important to me and near and dear to my heart supporting other women leaders. And so I look forward to this conversation and bolts for us today. So I am a Florida native my husband and I are both Florida natives which is is rare. We live in Lakeland. My husband Dane is a third generation citrus grower and cattle rancher. So we live here on a beautiful 900 acre ranch in Lakeland. And that's where I am officing from today as my home office here on the ranch, I like to call it my studio on the ranch. It's a really creative space for me. So we live and work and play here in Central Florida. I started my business 10 years ago with a focus on coaching leaders and teams and helping them grow and realize their full potential in purposeful and balanced ways. And I think there are several factors that kind of got me here that we can begin to talk about just looking forward to where this goes.
Nancy Surak03:46
Awesome. So I read in your bio, Emily, that you came from the C suite right before you decided to create that consulting business. What did you see in those years that you're in the C suite that you thought, you know, what I'm going to do next is I'm going to help these folks through a coaching mechanism.
Emily Rogers04:04
Yeah. So before I started my business, I spent 12 years in a senior leadership role, and the last four years in the role of president and chief growth officer of a sponsorship consulting company headquartered in Chicago. And when I took on that role, it was in the beginning of 2009, at the onset of the Great Recession that was spurred by the global financial crisis. And I was navigating some very tumultuous waters as a first time executive and was faced with with the need to have to right size our business by laying off folks that I had worked with for eight years at that point many of them and Those are some gut wrenching decisions that were not easy to make, but needed to be executed on. And I personally learned some really important lessons during those first few years as an Executive leader about how to navigate crisis, how to make tough decisions, how to rebuild trust within your team, and how to rise out of the ashes of those kinds of situations. And so I had a lot of first hand experience that I wanted to pass along to other leaders. And I was also much more interested in helping leaders grow and thrive, then I was in running somebody else's business, and focusing on the month to month, quarter to quarter numbers. And at that point, I had gotten pretty far away from the consulting work that I love to do, being a trusted advisor, helping others grow and realize their full potential. And I wanted to get back to that I wanted to get back to really supporting others. And that's why I decided to start my own business.
Nancy Surak06:08
Nice. So I have a little bit of a confession to make. Because you and I have never worked together. This is actually the first time we're interacting, which is awesome. Because Oh, it's a true, like, first time conversation. But years ago, and I want to say it was maybe 2017 or 18, someone in the Tampa Bay market told me about you. And I looked you up on the internet, and I signed up for our newsletters. And so ever since then. So at least probably five years or six years I've been getting these I think weekly, your or every other week newsletter from you always like thought provoking, bite size, little readership, like maybe a paragraph or two of things that you should be sort of thinking about, or maybe that you are thinking about. And back in, I believe it was 2021, you had a series or an email about legacy leadership. And I read that right around the time that I attended a national conference for women and commercial real estate, where I sat at a table with a bunch of women and kind of my age bracket 15 up. And I realized that there were a lot of women much further in their careers, who had all these questions, and they were trying to figure out what the next stage of their life was going to be in their career. And it brought me that experience brought me back to your email, and I thought, you know, what is my legacy? Like, what am I doing in my career? Where am I going? And so even when we never worked together, it was really impactful for me, and it was actually the birth of this podcast. So at this point, I have to hear giggling a little bit. I have to thank you for writing that. And I want you to know that even though we had never spoken we hadn't worked together, that was so impactful for me to see that message at the right time. Because it led me to create this. So with that, I want to thank you. But I also want to dive into what that means for you, when you when you think about legacy leadership and how important that is for folks. What do you think about and how do you lead people down that path? Because we didn't work together? I sort of came upon it myself.
Emily Rogers08:14
Yeah, well, first, from the bottom of my heart. Thank you for sharing that. That story and the way in which I inspired you through my writing and sharing what I'm passionate about in the world. So when I decided to shift gears and resigned from corporate life, at the age of 44, I had benefited from working with a life coach who helped me get connected to my purpose. And I had identified at that time that my purpose in life was to help others grow. I've always gravitated toward roles that involve teaching, coaching, advising, mentoring, since I was a teenager, literally people would show up at my doorstep asking for advice. And I thought, I've got to do more of that than I am now in the role that I was playing at the time. And I wasn't sure what that was going to look like. But I knew that I needed to boldly live my purpose and find a new way to leave a meaningful mark on the world. And so I resigned from corporate life without a plan and took a sabbatical, I gave myself six months to just rest, recover and figure out what I wanted to do next. And I had benefited greatly from being coached by an executive coach, a team coach and a life coach. And so I had a feeling, you know, that was what I wanted to do. And on my 45th birthday, I signed up for my first coaching training, which started in January of 2013. And so I spent several years building my business coaching helping leaders grow and thrive and I thought, there's more to it than this than just this. There's, there's like there's something more meaningful out there that I want wanted to impart on on leaders. And particularly those that were mid to late career like me that were just wanting to do something more meaningful and have a greater impact. And so, around that time that you signed up for my newsletter, I launched my legacy Leadership Program. And it is all about helping people get more clear about who they want to influence, how they want to influence, and the positive change that they want to create in people's lives and in their communities, and in their families. And that program, which will be running again, this fall is is truly the heart and soul of my business, I do a lot of things. I coach a lot of different leaders, men and women, I have a number of different programs that I offer mindful leadership, mastering leadership, but this legacy thing has really taken hold. And it's such a powerful exercise for us to embark on and to get clear on.
Nancy Surak11:03
So when everyone was searching back in 2020, with COVID, and then I saw your messaging, you know, shortly after that, I mean, what a great time for you to be in the right place at the wrong or right time, depending on how you look at that time in life right. Now, folks are all like sort of saying like, what what am I doing? What am I doing with my career?
Emily Rogers11:23
Yes. And ironically, I tried to launch that program a few years prior to that, and it didn't get off the ground. There wasn't enough interest. But come 2020 There was,
Nancy Surak11:35
yeah, talk about like, just monumental shifts, right? Yeah, being like I said, in the right place. Um, so take me through what is that? Like when someone comes to you? And they say, I want something more. And I want to dig into that next phase. Yeah, what are some of the things or some of the questions you might have them think about? Maybe one or two not take me through the whole program? But what should they be thinking about as they're questioning about themselves? Yeah.
Emily Rogers12:05
So getting clear about what really matters to you is a really good starting point, the things you care most deeply about the things you are most passionate about the people you most want to inspire and influence, the change you most want to create in your life or your work or the world. That's the starting point. And then another I think, important exercise that's part of that is really getting connected or reconnected to your core values booklet, because I believe those service really important guideposts for us, as we're making life and career decisions. And as we're faced with various challenges that come our way.
Nancy Surak12:49
Yeah, that's, that's a great way to think about it. You know, you talked about all the different folks that you touch different levels of folks in their career men and women. But I know you work a lot with women in with women executives, as they're growing in their career. And I hear because of not only the podcast, but because I'm so gung ho in a male dominated industry, I'm always just really encouraging other women to kind of go after things. So I hear things too, right? I hear people say like, I'm afraid to fail. What if I don't succeed? I don't know if I'm ready, and all this second guessing. And I would love to ask you, you know, when you work with women, is it different than when you work with men, or really are the issues kind of the same?
Emily Rogers13:33
The leadership issues are the same, I think women face some unique challenges in the workplace. And what I often see in women, a little more so than men, is they tend to underestimate themselves and their leadership effectiveness. And they're always surprised and humbled to see how effective they truly are when we conduct a leadership assessment in the form of a 360. Women I think, are often underestimated, they underestimate themselves, and they are often underestimated in the workplace, just due to gender bias. beliefs that people hold about women's place in the workplace, women's place in the world, and some of those things are generational and, and you know, there's still a stronghold on some of those old, outdated beliefs about women in the workplace. And women also, I think, struggle more with work life integration than men. That's also changing and shifting. So and I also think that career planning can just be a little bit more dynamic for for women, just because that their priorities ebb and flow as they choose to have families as they choose to, you know, focus on different areas of their life or their work or it's just it's just more dynamic and it ebbs and flows more. So, so many of the leadership challenges are the same, but I think there's some gender differences that are unique to women.
Nancy Surak15:10
Yeah, I agree with that. And I'll have to tell you, that was the first time I think in my life, that I have heard work life integration. And I think that is so beautifully stated. Because I have a young daughter who's, you know, starting her first job, she's about to be 22. And we've had conversations about work life balance, and I just laugh, and I'm like, there really isn't, such as there's no ballots. There's sometimes when you can, you know, you can find what works. But so what a beautiful, beautiful way to describe that is through, like, how does it all fit together? How do you integrate those things and make that work. So I think that is truly, truly a wonderful statement.
Emily Rogers15:52
In my personal experience, it's exhausting to try to keep it all separate, and try to constantly shift gears between life and work and constantly prioritize and reprioritize. And so by looking at it from an integrated perspective, and you know, for a woman for a woman, I think it's important to ponder, a question that one of my coaches invited me to ponder many years ago was, what is the role of work in your life? And I had never thought about it that way. Because I had kept it all so separate. And it's all one big life and work is a significant element of that for many of us. And so, what's the role of work in my life? And how is it all going to fit together in a way that that works for me, and the people that matter most to me,
Nancy Surak16:40
right is beautiful. I have a friend, I serve on a board in the Tampa Bay region with her, she's an attorney, highly, highly effective at what she does. And she wants to confided in me and said, You know, I have this problem that I say yes to everything, every client, every opportunity, every invitation to be on a board or to speak. And then she said, and I'm just so exhausted. Because I don't know how to say, No,
Emily Rogers17:08
Yeah, when I made the transition from corporate life to starting my business, my mantra was, just because I can doesn't mean I should. And that really helped me make better choices about what to say yes to.
Nancy Surak17:25
Yeah. And I think, you know, for me, like, I have to remind myself, right, like, it's, you have this kind of little voice that sits in the back of your head. And I think, you know, is it bad for me to say no, or am I really protecting myself and those that I really, truly want to serve? And that's basically the way I told my friend, as I said, you know, it's hard to say no, because you have a sense of worth when people want you, and there's a demand on your time. But you have to do that for just like mental health. And like you said, Work Life integration. So that it if it's not balanced, it's not crazy out of whack. Right? Yeah. Yeah.
Emily Rogers18:01
And when we say no, we're saying yes. to something that's more important. Right? Absolutely. Saying yes to something bigger, that's burning inside. When we say no to something else.
Nancy Surak18:17
Yeah, I agree. I, you know, I didn't think that we talked about that. But I think it's so important. But there is something I do want to ask you. Because I've had younger women say to me, at what point do I get in my career where I can begin to make sense of investing in coaching. I'm not a coach. I've had coaches at different points in my career. And I basically have said, you know, that's a decision you have to make on your own. But I think outside of your education, it is one of the most important investments you can make as you grow in your career. So I would love when, when someone comes to see you, Emily, and they say, I'm thinking about coaching, I don't know how to make sense of like either a financial investment, or a time investment. What are some of the things that you tell them they should be thinking through.
Emily Rogers19:07
So readiness and willingness is so important to get the most out of coaching. And so if somebody's just curious, and maybe thinks that they should do it, it may not be the best time. But as somebody is really wanting to invest in their growth and development, and do the work, the internal work that's required of that, and is willing to make the time and the financial investment and has kind of a clear destination that they're trying to get to, then coaching can be really effective and really, really beneficial if you're at that place in in your life. And if you're at that place, and you have the benefit of working with a coach earlier rather than later in your career. I think there's so much that you learn about yourself, your strengths, your weaknesses, your blind spots that will serve you for decades to come. I didn't have my first 360 Until I was 40. And I so wish that I had known the things that I learned about myself in my 30s, you know, I learned I needed to, to be more empathetic, I learned I needed to be more influential, I learned that I needed to be more direct. And had I known those things earlier. It would have really saved me a lot of missteps and heartache. And so I think the sooner you get a sense of your strengths, your weaknesses, your blind spots, the sooner you get some good advice and counsel from a coach and put those things into practice, the more effective you're going to be in the short term in the long term, and those lessons will only compound and the decades to come.
Nancy Surak20:56
Yeah, that's that's a great point. You do bring up something I know I personally struggle with. And that's the blind spot. Right? Yeah. So I'd love for you to talk a little bit more about what that is. Yeah. How that manifests when you're coaching folks like what would you see? Yeah, so
Emily Rogers21:12
I mentioned earlier that one of the challenges that women leaders, particularly faces is that they underestimate themselves, they see themselves as less effective, as others see them. And this is a phenomenon that tends to happen with women leaders moreso than men, it happens with men, male leaders as well. But it's a real, it's a real feminine disadvantage advantage, if you will, this this underestimating ourselves. And until we can see on a piece of paper, where we scored ourselves and where others scored us and that gap that is often really wide until we see that we have a hard time believing in ourselves. Like we need that external, that validation, I think at times. And once we get that, and we start believing in ourselves, and we start leveraging our strengths, and doing so with more purpose and more intention, then we have a much greater impact. I see it all the time in the women leaders that I coach. And so those blind spots can show up as an underestimation that can also show up as an overestimation, right. So in the area of achieving results, sometimes we are overestimating how we perceive our ability to achieve the results that matter most of the organizations that we're leading, but others are seeing that for whatever reason, and that's an opportunity to get really curious about what's going on. What are the beliefs that everybody holds about? The results that matter most to the organization? what's being communicated or not communicating? What are the misperceptions that need to be overcome? Where do we need to take more credit? Or where we're creating impact in the organization? And how do we do that? So those blind spots can show up in a lot of different places.
Nancy Surak22:59
That sounds like it's not only individual, but also organizational oriented as well. Yeah, the blind spots isn't just with a person, it can be with entire teams. It can be absolutely. Okay, so let's talk a little bit about how you work with teams. Are you predominantly working with smaller executive teams? Or is his big, like, companies are like, I don't really know much about that part of your business. So maybe you could just tell us a little bit more about that.
Emily Rogers23:25
Yes, primarily, senior executive teams, as well as mid level leadership teams. And so when I'm coaching a team, what I am doing with them is helping them collectively understand their strengths, weaknesses and blind spots as a team. And I'm helping them function more effectively together, as a team, communicate better, collaborate better together, problem solve together, and in a way that helps them get the results they want quicker and easier as a team.
Nancy Surak24:00
Got it? Okay. Thank you for that. So when you're like thinking about your business and the evolution over the last 10 years, and particularly the last three years since COVID, what are some of the biggest challenges that you're seeing in your space with folks, whether it's team coaching or individual what's sort of the new biggest obstacle that you're either helping people over or that they're bringing to you that they're struggling with?
Emily Rogers24:24
Yeah, so navigating change has been a huge one, how to navigate change thoughtfully and intelligently. Whether there are external factors at play, that are prompting the necessary change that maybe wasn't planned, or whether it's changed that is wanting to be created through a strategic planning process and a new goal setting process and an expansion and growth of the business. And so, how to talk about that, how to create forums to address the challenges associated with Back, how to lead through that and helpful cross some really uncomfortable edges that require letting go of where we are today, and forging a path into this new inspiring future of where we want to go together and what we want to accomplish together. So that is a really rich territory for working with teams.
Nancy Surak25:23
So when you also think back, what's been the most interesting part of working with other folks like what have you, when you look back and you say, You know what, I've made this great contribution to the community, and the folks that are running my community, what is something super interesting or that you're like super proud about.
Emily Rogers25:43
So being a part of the Central Florida business ecosystem, in the way that I am, is really rewarding to me. Because as I've worked with, you know, hundreds of leaders over the last 10 years, across a wide variety of industries, from various backgrounds and levels of leadership, just knowing that I've been a part of making a stronger business community, one that is more resilient, one that is wiser, smarter, better, more connected, knowing that I've played a part in that is really meaningful to me, and, and is part of the legacy that I'm writing about myself today and living today.
Nancy Surak26:34
Awesome. It's so important to really focus on that, isn't it? Just, what is it that normally should folks that are coming to you ask that you continually ask yourself as well?
Emily Rogers26:44
Yeah, yeah. Because of the unique role that I'm in in this community, I get to see the ripple effects of the positive change that's created through the work that I do, and the influence and impact that leaders in our community are having and how when we all come together, we can create an even more powerful impact together.
Nancy Surak27:04
What a beautiful statement. So I want to before we wrap up, I want to just take one more step back, because we sort of talked about, you know, what folks should be asking if they're really ready versus whether or not they're curious, right? I want to talk a little bit more about that person, specifically that might be here today that's really curious about, are they ready for coaching? What are some of the things that you would recommend they do to determine whether or not they're really ready?
Emily Rogers27:33
So talk with others that have been coached? To find out what was their experience like? And what ways did they learn and grow, read about coaching and the kinds of benefits that you can expect from a coaching process, interview several coaches, because fit is really important. You want somebody that's got good experience that kind of understands your world, and the challenges that you're navigating personally and professionally. And you also want someone you're really comfortable talking with, and being vulnerable with and that you feel really safe with, and someone that you can really trust. And so interview some coaches, and then just see, am I am I ready? Does this feel like a good time to start? Am I ready to make this investment in me? Am I ready to go to work on me and dig deep, to find an even better version of me to put out there in the world?
Nancy Surak28:29
Awesome. So I love to wrap up every interview with a series of questions. And I'm not letting you off the hook because you don't fit my typical guest profile of a woman who's in land in development, although you own a lot of land and live on a lot of land. So we'll give you a little star for that. That's, that's nice.
Emily Rogers28:49
I'll mention to my husband's a developer. So by understanding our world, because of you know, our conversations over the dinner table about what's going on in his world,
Nancy Surak28:59
Right, well, awesome. I don't think I know your husband. So I'll have to like look him up. If someone called you out of the blue, and they said, Emily, I'm looking for some career advice. And they really didn't give you any other parameters. They're thinking about how they're going to navigate the rest of their career. What is the best piece of advice somebody has shared with you, but you would share with someone else?
Emily Rogers29:28
The advice I often give the women leaders that I work with is don't give away your power. Claim your power and use it for good. And then we have a conversation about what does it mean to be powerful? What does that look like for you? And how can you be more of that? I love that.
Nancy Surak29:54
And I'm just gonna pause cuz I'm like soaking that in myself. That is really am Whether it's a woman or a man, right, we should all be asking that question. Yep. Are those questions? Okay? Next is have you read or a inspirational book recently or in your history or listen to a podcast that you think everyone should check out?
Emily Rogers30:18
Yeah, so in line with what I just shared, I recently listened to Ginni Rometty, the former CEO of IBM and the only woman CEO in the history of that company, read her book, good power, I highly recommend that you check that out. It's incredibly inspiring her personal story is inspiring how she, you know, climbed the ladder at IBM, is just an incredible story. And she used her power for good at IBM, and she continues to use her power for good in the world today. So definitely recommend good power by Ginni Rometty.
Nancy Surak31:02
Thank you, we'll make sure that that's added to the show links. And then finally, if someone is here today, and they're thinking, I really want to check in lay out, I would, I'm ready for coaching. I'd like to speak with her, What's the best way for them to connect with you.
Emily Rogers31:17
My website is EmilyRogers.com. And there's lots of free resources on my website in the form of blogs, and guides and interviews. And so check all that stuff out, because it'll really give you a sense of the kinds of things that you might talk about with a coach. And you can find me on LinkedIn, of course, as well as Facebook, I've got a personal page and a business page on Facebook. And we'd love to connect,
Nancy Surak31:43
Right, awesome, we'll make sure that all those places are also listed in the show notes so that folks can just kind of check that out and connect directly with you. Emily, I want to thank you for joining me today on She's Wild. It's so important, I believe for women to and men, but particularly for women to invest in their career growth and in their personal growth as well. And I love to feature leading coaches from time to time and I want to thank you for joining us here today.
Emily Rogers32:07
My pleasure. Nancy was good to be with you. You take care.
Nancy Surak32:09
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